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I think that the Committee really wanted -- they were using Thalen for their own purposes and Thalen had his own ambitions to take care of ... he has tried to run for Governor of Illinois but he couldn't raise enough money so he was running for President of the Cook County Board and he just wanted to build a name for himself.
In one exchange I quote Jim Hanson, a Republican on the Committee, complaining to Thalen about telling an outright lie, so I don't believe that ...
BARRY: He actively sought the job out and the committee went to people, prominent, well respected attorneys looking for recommendations, but Thalen was not recommended by anybody.
I don't believe that Thalen manipulated the Committee.
And then he said, "It sort of became my role to tighten the case against Wright for Thalen."
Thalen Curtis Fluckes, 39, filed the claim in U.S.