moro reflex

ruzuzu In this week's New Yorker there was a cartoon about babies that drive--it wouldn't have been as funny if I didn't know about this page. Feb 10, 2012

leaden Dear Prolagus two years ago,

Thanks! I was wondering about that.

                                Your pal,
                                leaden two years later Oct 11, 2011

sionnach I dreamt about Toonces the other night. He wasn't actually speaking French, but he was mrkgnao-ing in a distinctly Joycean fashion. Oct 11, 2011

reesetee Dontcry, it appears that sentence requires brackets by popular acclaim. Jun 9, 2011

sionnach My favorite excerpt from this whole fracas has to be:

"Yes, yes, soft cheeses, of course. We're not monsters! "

That is pure Wordnik gold, right there, folks! Jun 8, 2011

blafferty I'm very curious why "fucking pro-mitts" was never bracketed. Or varying lengths of that sentence of Yarb's. Jun 8, 2011

reesetee It is, sionnach. Truly it is. As bilby so aply put it, "Sometimes you can sort of explain Wordie to your friends. And sometimes ... " Jun 7, 2011

rolig Amazing. Jun 7, 2011

sionnach Oh dear God. This is the BEST PAGE EVER!!! Jun 7, 2011

chained_bear I do. I just ran into him at the coffee maker. Hard. May 25, 2010

reesetee Better ask chained. She thinks she works with that guy. May 24, 2010

ruzuzu I think the true monster must have been Moro. Seriously--what kind of hypnic jerk goes around startling infants just to see whether they'll whack themselves in the face? May 22, 2010

jennarenn R: I'm sneaky like that. Dec 13, 2009

dontcry c_b, awwww! I'm touched! Dec 4, 2009

chained_bear dontcry, I just wanted to mention that every time I swaddle my new infant (which is several times a day—er, night), I think of this: "Yes, yes, soft cheeses, of course. We're not monsters!"

That is all. Dec 3, 2009

reesetee *jerks hypnically*

Oh...sorry, jennarenn. Dec 1, 2009

jennarenn I want to thank Pro for clearing up sionnach's comment. Heaven forbid we layabouts miss any inside joke. :) Nov 30, 2009

sionnach What a fine discussion this is - both amusing and educational. That's infotainment, Wordnik-style!

P.S. Pro, how's the bunny? (My munny is still on Toonces!) Nov 30, 2009

plethora *loves this page*
I am never leaving the internet for 5 days ever again. Apr 26, 2009

dontcry *snort*
*ouch!* Apr 23, 2009

reesetee God Save Wordie.

*salutes, but ends up smacking self in the nose* Apr 22, 2009

chained_bear Yes. Yes. Sometimes there's just one list to add it to.
*hands dontcry a nice wetwipe moistened with umbrage*
*hands sionnach a nice soft swaddly straitjacket* Apr 22, 2009

bilby Sometimes you can sort of explain Wordie to your friends. And sometimes ... Apr 22, 2009

dontcry Yes, yes, soft cheeses, of course. We're not monsters!
*tries to wipe freshly cut, soft cheese, from corner of mouth but ends up wacking self in face instead*
*takes umbrage, then wacks self in face with it as well*
Where the HELL are those mitts?
Give me ten on Toonces. Apr 22, 2009

sionnach I am so relieved that Yarb is not truly mad that I can barely contain my limbs from flailing spontaneously. But I am managing to contain them, not because I am wearing mitts or being swaddled by the little old lady who lives up in the attic, but because of the distracting joy engendered by imagining a roller derby contest runoff between tiny swaddled monster babies, Prolagus's grand mal bunny, and Toonces.

No offence to your epileptic companion animal, Pro, but my money is on Toonces. Apr 22, 2009

Prolagus Future generations of Wordies need to know that sionnach wrote his comment the same day douchebaguette was added. Apr 22, 2009

yarb Of course I'm not really mad. Here, I hereby hand back all this phony umbrage. I clear all my overdrafts and lines of credit with the International Bank of Phony Umbrage (IBoPU). Apr 22, 2009

chained_bear I can't tell if yarb's actually mad (I hope not!), but if not, this page is just tits.

Would you like some nice umbrage on a cracker, yarb? It's Wensleydale. Apr 21, 2009

yarb I don't hate mitts! I'm fucking pro-mitts, anti-swaddling, you wretch! Apr 21, 2009

sionnach I think that, if amyone has evil designs on those mummy-swaddled monster babies on the island, it would be Toonces. We all know how cats are with babies - give them half a chance and they will be lurking around, trying to steal their breath away. Plus, in Toonces' case, he would have the getaway vehicle parked right there out in back, by the edge of the canyon.

I take umbrage at c_b's careless misreading of my earlier remarks and her transparent efforts to stir up discord. I never said that yarb was a monster, just that he swaddled little monster babies against their will. Why do you hate mitts and freedom so, yarb?

I would like my umbrage with a little baby-sliced soft cheese on a baguette, hold the douche. Apr 21, 2009

chained_bear I take umbrage at the suggestion that infants displaying a Moro reflex should not be allowed to drive, at sionnach's suggestion that yarb is a monster, at yarb's suggestion that swaddling resembles foot-binding (which actually causes a deformity), and at dontcry's suggestion that one may slice cheese with a properly swaddled infant. Madam, tell the whole story! Only soft cheese!

Also I take umbrage that at this moment, I do not have any cheese.

But if anyone wants any of my umbrage, I'll happily share. Apr 21, 2009

dontcry Mr. dontcry used to swaddle our babies so tight you could slice cheese with them. He would, were he a wordie, take umbrage with loose, amateurish swaddling. Apr 21, 2009

yarb I'm just going to take a teensy bit more umbrage here, this time at sionnach's suggestion that I am some kind of maniacal baby- (or monster-) swaddler. I have only ever swaddled in the loosest, most amateur fashion, and serious swaddling grosses me out with its resemblance to mummification and foot-binding.

I think there might actually be an Island of Moro, in the Philippines or Indonesia somewhere? I wonder if Wells ever visited. Apr 21, 2009

chained_bear It's true, the dangers of epileptic lagomorph driving are totally underrated. Isn't there some group formed to raise awareness? Apr 21, 2009

Prolagus My rabbit suffered from epileptic attacks, that used to last a few minutes with no consequences.
I took her to the vet, and he told me there was not much to do, unless I wanted to sedate her, and he added that epileptic attacks were not a big deal for her, as long as I didn't let her drive. Apr 21, 2009

chained_bear Actually, no, I think that sensation in adults (which I get too, and I hate it) has another name... Lemme see... *rifles through lists*

Here it is: hypnagogic startle or hypnic jerk (hey, I think I work with that guy!). It's on my "What I Hate" list.

I'm guessing the difference is that in babies, the Moro reflex is in response to external stimuli, while for the hypnagogic startle (as I can attest), THERE IS NO GODDAMNED REASON.

*resumes composure* Apr 21, 2009

reesetee I didn't know babies were allowed to drive. Apr 21, 2009

sionnach "Moro is a very important early health indicator and is routinely induced by maternity workers as part of their evaluation of a newborn's health."

The auditory startle test was a routine part of our toxicology protocols in rats, as a way of trying to ensure that our test drugs weren't addling their little rat brains unduly. Afterwards they would get a lovely refreshing swim in the maze to see if they could remember where the platform was. Though personally, I always suspected some of the more maladjusted lab techs of occasionally moving the platform just for their own sadistic amusement. Apr 21, 2009

sionnach Wasn't there an island with little baby monsters in swaddling clothes (now it is revealed that they were probably swaddled by yarb against their little infant wills while in a doped up state), who crawled around looking like little mummies looking for their mummies. The Island of Doctor Moro, I believe it was called.

Eventually the United Nations made emergency drops of oven mitts and all was well. Apr 21, 2009

bilby Oh, now I get what it's referring to. I do this too sometimes. I think this confirms I'm still a baby. Apr 21, 2009

dontcry Um... I still "moro" sometimes just as I'm drifting off to sleep. I get the sensation that I'm abut to fall off the bed... Can I take that "6 months OR MORE..." part literally?
*where are those damn mitts?* Apr 21, 2009

bilby That was funny about the baby driving. Apr 21, 2009

reesetee Hey, can I have your umbrage if you're not using it? Apr 20, 2009

chained_bear I take umbrage at your remark, yarb, and might ask you the same, etc. etc.

(It's much quicker this way, huh?) Apr 20, 2009

yarb Are you trying to stop me taking umbrage? Why do you hate freedom? Etc etc. Apr 20, 2009

chained_bear I've noticed it as a startle reflex as well, but 90% of the time it was when the baby was drifting off or half-awake. I have also known some babies who really hated mitts (and socks for that matter).

Still, I don't think it's "grossly" misinformative; perhaps incomplete, at worst. There are plenty of other sources of this information—this quote was a small sidebar buried in the back of the book, and I found it kind of amusing. The point is, there's nothing dangerous about the reflex.

Unless, as we used to joke, the baby is supposed to be doing something requiring focus (such as driving). Because if someone were to honk their horn and startle her, her hands would fly off the wheel and take about 8 seconds to come back down. Apr 20, 2009

yarb I'm very surprised by the quote below, which, though no paediatrician, I'm fairly sure is grossly misinformative. It implies that the Moro reflex is sleep-related, but it is not. Rather it is a startle reflex, produced in response to loud sounds or the sensation of falling (which latter might conceivably - though I don't know if anyone's proved it - occur during light sleep). Moro is a very important early health indicator and is routinely induced by maternity workers as part of their evaluation of a newborn's health.

I find it very hard to imagine a baby "whacking himself in the face" as a result of a Moro reaction, in which the arms are thrust outward and the fingers grab for a hold.

Newborns sometimes scratch their faces during sleep, which can be alleviated by lots of nail trimming and wearing mitts. Neither of my newborns minded wearing mitts while sleeping, perhaps because they were asleep and didn't know anything about it. I've always thought swaddling (in the modern, Western sense) was slightly odd, but I suppose that's just me. Apr 20, 2009

chained_bear "When a young baby has drifted into light sleep, he might startle himself awake by inadvertently whacking himself in the face. It has been theorized that this common newborn limb flailing, known as the Moro reflex, is a vestigial monkey move—the baby reaching out to clutch the mother's fur for safety. Some babies get little scratch marks all over from Moro reflex-related smacking. It's not dangerous or in any way abnormal (but it does sound rather hilarious—C_B), and scratches heal on babies practically overnight, but it can get in the way of sleep. There are little mitts available to prevent this, though not everyone thinks they're a good idea (including the babies who hate wearing them). Some babies seem to experience this reflex more than others, and it can take 6 months or more for it to fade. Swaddling can help control this self-smacking if it's getting to be a problem."
—Rebecca Odes and Ceridwen Morris, From the Hips, 339 Apr 20, 2009